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the recognition comes as the white house confirms to nbc news that assad is more desperate and started using scud missiles. >> we're made a decision that the syrian opposition coalition is now inclusive enough, is reflective and representative enough of the syrian population that we consider them the legitimate representative of the syrian people. >> joining me now, deputy editor bobby gauch. does this provide help to the rebels? >> it is not yet clear. the united states did not say it will provide arms. it opens the door wider and the u.s. is coming late to this party. a number of other allies of the united states have given recognition and giving them arms and assistance. the u.s. is among the last reported stamp of approval. >> what are do you think the approval was meat at this point? part the united states has had concern fist are a long time that among the many groups, some have close ties to al qaeda and the obama administration didn't want to give the recognition to that particular group. in recent days, they have identified one group and put that down on the terror list and to
the recognition comes as the white house confirms to nbc news that assad is more desperate and started using scud missiles. >> we're made a decision that the syrian opposition coalition is now inclusive enough, is reflective and representative enough of the syrian population that we consider them the legitimate representative of the syrian people. >> joining me now, deputy editor bobby gauch. does this provide help to the rebels? >> it is not yet clear. the united states did...
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president obama and speaker boehner. they had a weekend rendezvous at the white house. taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've g
president obama and speaker boehner. they had a weekend rendezvous at the white house. taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday...
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if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a long-term extension of the debt ceiling in any fiscal cliff deal. the republicans now see the debt ceiling as their own leverage. they're demanding a steep price to include it. who anyways if obama will ultimately go along with something like this. but it is a talk that there is still one crucial way he's at the mercy of republicans. it leaves him with a tough choice. to pay their price in entitlements or play debt ceiling chicken with them again. okay. does it for "the cycle" today.
if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a long-term extension of the debt ceiling in any fiscal cliff deal. the republicans now see the debt ceiling as their own leverage. they're demanding a steep price to include it. who anyways if obama will ultimately go along with something like this. but it is a talk that there is still one crucial way he's at the mercy of...
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less generous benefits formula and cutting benefits long term and been floated and what this is is obama and the white house have ruled out invoking the 14th amendment aez a work around of not giving the republicans leverage on the debt ceiling and decided to roll a debt ceiling extension in to the fiscal cliff deal whatever they end up striking here and seems to me acknowledging republicans have leverage with cpi and talking about raising the medicare age. my question to you as a progressive is, republicans want something big. is there any big concessions you can see acceptable? >> new york city i really can't. and the kind of things we are talking about, even if they're not -- may not be acceptable to me ever but talking about a version of the changed cpi, the president already said social security is off the table because it is not driving the deficit. that's kind of weird. changes to medicare eligibility again or changes to medicare payments or whatever, it's really complicated to negotiate but i have to say i agree with you, steve. i'm -- i wish that the president hadn't taken the 1
less generous benefits formula and cutting benefits long term and been floated and what this is is obama and the white house have ruled out invoking the 14th amendment aez a work around of not giving the republicans leverage on the debt ceiling and decided to roll a debt ceiling extension in to the fiscal cliff deal whatever they end up striking here and seems to me acknowledging republicans have leverage with cpi and talking about raising the medicare age. my question to you as a progressive...
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how are those behind the scenes talks going between president obama and the speaker? >> i want people to know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. it was cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? >> flash point, syria. has assad backed off his chemical weapons threat? >> we haven't seen anything new for aggressive steps to move forward in that way. >> and hair envy. what will harry reid miss most about retired senator ben nelson? >> he had a lot of real hair. it's often that people call his office -- they believe he has a toupe. it's his hair. he will pull it for every time just to show you that it's real. i mean, he has hair like a 15-year-old, mr. president, and so i have to acknowledge i am a little envious of his hair. ♪ i want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy ♪ >> you wonder why we don't have a budget deal yet. good day. i'm andrea mitchell live
how are those behind the scenes talks going between president obama and the speaker? >> i want people to know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. it was cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? >> flash point, syria. has assad backed off his chemical weapons threat?...
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. >> meanwhile, president obama and house speaker john boehner met sunday at the white house. the spokespeople for both men said they agreed not to release details or characterize the meeting. it was their first one-on-one meeting in 18 months as boehner spokesman michael steele says he is still waiting on a counteroffer from the president to last week's republican offer. in michigan today president obama said the house just needs to pass the bill already passed by the senate. >> congress lets middle class taxes go up, economists will tell you that means people will spend nearly $200 billion less than they otherwise would spend. consumer spending is going to go down. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> president obama still has the american people firmly on his side. this is what the republicans don't get, apparently. 60% support raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year. this is why a republican congress tom cole said once again fellow republicans should pass a tax cut ex-susp
. >> meanwhile, president obama and house speaker john boehner met sunday at the white house. the spokespeople for both men said they agreed not to release details or characterize the meeting. it was their first one-on-one meeting in 18 months as boehner spokesman michael steele says he is still waiting on a counteroffer from the president to last week's republican offer. in michigan today president obama said the house just needs to pass the bill already passed by the senate. >>...
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well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want to go. entitlements. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house. that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i actually think it has merit. where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about. the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> let me bring in "washington post" columnist danny milbank and "usa tod
well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want...
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the white house says it can happen. >> president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house. >> their first one on one in three weeks. >> the heavy lifting is going to have to happen this week. >> if this week goes bad -- >> this week is going to be a critical week. >> even if the speaker and president are cuddling in the lincoln bedroom -- >> i think everybody needs to cool their jets. >> that's not going to get us a deal. >> raising taxes will hurt the economy. >> your stuff stinks. we don't want it. >> if anybody out there who is, quote, rich doesn't think that their taxes go up, drink are on me. >> republicans are totally over the barrel. >> raising tax rates will hurt the economy. >> we'll push it all the way to the senate and then we'll lose. >>> with 22 days until we take that first step off the fiscal curb, president obama traveled to michigan to keep the pressure on republicans in congress. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh?
the white house says it can happen. >> president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house. >> their first one on one in three weeks. >> the heavy lifting is going to have to happen this week. >> if this week goes bad -- >> this week is going to be a critical week. >> even if the speaker and president are cuddling in the lincoln bedroom -- >> i think everybody needs to cool their jets. >> that's not going to get us a deal. >>...
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governor christie meets with president obama this time at the white house, and it is just one of the things we thought you should know. be sure to check out our "news nation" tumblr page. you find behind the scenes pictures, and thank you for checking it out and liking our pictures. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] campbell's green bean casserole. it's amazing what soup can do we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affe
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the white house's website was created to provide an online platform for citizens to petition the obama administration to take action on issues that they find very important to themselves. the the site makes civic engagement easy and has sparked some interesting causes. and its policy of issuing a response if a petition gathering 25,000 signatures in 30 days has caught the attention of the internet trolls. it was the forum used by over 100,000 texans to secede from the united states, which resulted in another petition in -- to withdraw. anything can happen. you can see where this is going. but there's one petition on the site that we here at "the ed show" can certainly get behind. it's a substantial stimulus project that would create millions of jobs, boost america's steel industry, got to love that, expand our space program, and basically guarantee our national security. what could be better? someone has petitioned the administration to build a death star. the fictional moon-size space base capable of destroying entire planets from "star wars." just under 2,000 people have signed the p
the white house's website was created to provide an online platform for citizens to petition the obama administration to take action on issues that they find very important to themselves. the the site makes civic engagement easy and has sparked some interesting causes. and its policy of issuing a response if a petition gathering 25,000 signatures in 30 days has caught the attention of the internet trolls. it was the forum used by over 100,000 texans to secede from the united states, which...
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first, house speaker john boehner sent a counteroffer to president obama to fend off the fiscal cli. in a response to an offer made by the white house yesterday, we go to rich edson from washington, d.c. with the latest. rich, any response from the white house on this? >> still working on that. aids say in exchhnge of proposals taken place, some movement, but still major differences between the white house and speaker's office. fox news reports the speaker and president just spoke on the phone. white house folks s there's a sign of movement. a senior huse aide says the evite house reduc the and the white house has reduced itsm demand for tax revenue increases from just under to fund the store one-and-a-half to will sort of the latest republican billio offer of $800 billion.e there is anfother offer on the t table from republicans. the details are known.ys the spokesman said the white house got up counter offer tois. solve our looming debt crisis. we are still waiting for the white house to identify what pet spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approa
first, house speaker john boehner sent a counteroffer to president obama to fend off the fiscal cli. in a response to an offer made by the white house yesterday, we go to rich edson from washington, d.c. with the latest. rich, any response from the white house on this? >> still working on that. aids say in exchhnge of proposals taken place, some movement, but still major differences between the white house and speaker's office. fox news reports the speaker and president just spoke on the...
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the white house. we are joined live from kabul. do we know president karzai's response to that invitt nation it comes at an interesting time he gave a controversial interview blaming the u.s. and nato for some of the problems he sees existing in afghanistan. >> reporter: he blamed some of the insecurity here, in part on u.s. and nato forces, their continued presence, their behavior toward the afghan people and the fact that they are still here. we don't yet know what will come of negotiations that are to be continuing next year, if karzai does, in fact, come to the states while necessary d.c. to meet with president obama. we did receive a statement from a u.s. official today on the invitation from the white house, saying that they hope that the negotiations will continue to lay out the rules of the road for a "potential u.s. military presence after 2014." and that is one of the issues that looms large over any talks between the u.s. and afghan officials these days. we know it was a topic of discussion
the white house. we are joined live from kabul. do we know president karzai's response to that invitt nation it comes at an interesting time he gave a controversial interview blaming the u.s. and nato for some of the problems he sees existing in afghanistan. >> reporter: he blamed some of the insecurity here, in part on u.s. and nato forces, their continued presence, their behavior toward the afghan people and the fact that they are still here. we don't yet know what will come of...
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times reports the white house will begin an all-out drive for an immigration bill that will include a path to citizenship for the 11.1 million illegal immigrants currently in the country. the bill would also seek stronger border security measures, penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants and would make it easier to bring in skilled foreign workers under special visas. in the interests of basic self-preservation, many republicans are also clambering for reform following their drubbing in the recent election when mitt's self-deportation policy lost the latino vote by a whopping 44 points. quote "there is a growing sense that this is an opportunity that should be taken, said ed jill esspi, a former republican national can i chairman. "there's no instinct like a survival instinct." for those thinking immigration reform will be a bipartisan community effort, think again. while many top republicans see a drastic need for change, many rank-and-file lawmakers remain skeptical. skeptical, indeed. politico writes regardless of exit polls, demographic trends and lectures from party le
times reports the white house will begin an all-out drive for an immigration bill that will include a path to citizenship for the 11.1 million illegal immigrants currently in the country. the bill would also seek stronger border security measures, penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants and would make it easier to bring in skilled foreign workers under special visas. in the interests of basic self-preservation, many republicans are also clambering for reform following their drubbing...
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awards and -- sorry the soul train awards and began by thanking his loud and savior barack obama. and that also was deemed to have been a sacrilegious comment. >> i think some of those folks are upset with his use of the n-word in the movie repeatedly as it were. i don't know that you can do a film focused around the slave trade in that era did sh. >> were they not using that term? is that not historically accurate? >> incredibly without the word being used. it was used like running water. so i think that this is like the war on christmas just fanfare. i think it is a money making mission for some of these websites to produce these columned out pieces to derive more traffic. they are baiting, playing to the least of these. those folks who still harbor some of the worst prejudices stereotypes about people like me, like toure, like yourself. i think it is irresponsible, it is dangerous frankly. if we look at this particular president and we look at the secret service statistics, the number, the sheer number of assassination threats that come into this white house either by the phone
awards and -- sorry the soul train awards and began by thanking his loud and savior barack obama. and that also was deemed to have been a sacrilegious comment. >> i think some of those folks are upset with his use of the n-word in the movie repeatedly as it were. i don't know that you can do a film focused around the slave trade in that era did sh. >> were they not using that term? is that not historically accurate? >> incredibly without the word being used. it was used like...
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obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't have to. i'm wondering, matt, is part of this psychological, even real in terms of momentum, democrats feel they have the upper hand and so they don't need to do anything right now. >> can we just take a moment and recognize it's december 10th, december 11th and people are out on the road making politics about this and occasionally meeting and talking about maybe exchanging ideas? this is kind of a big deal, you know? in this same way that passing a buck -- we were told that for a long time. >> for a long time. if there was any kind of seriousness of purpose, and i'm not pointing out either party, you know, one over the other but neither is having a seriousness of purpose about passing budget, about sitting down and talking about this particular question, or about the long term which is going to hit us li
obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't have to. i'm wondering, matt, is part of this psychological, even real in terms of momentum, democrats feel they have the upper hand and so they don't need to do anything right now. >> can we just take a moment...
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if labor is taken way from the democrats, barack obama might not be in the white house. you can just ask karl rove. >> they lost 612,000 union members in 2010 alone. now think about it. every one of the 612,000 people had union dues going into the political coffers of their union to spend on politics. so yeah, you keep having couple 100,000 people each year, if a half million people leave the labor movement every year, and pretty soon you start having a crimp in the political budgets of these unions, it has a direct effect on the presidential. >> let's crimp the political budgets throughout, and the way we can do that is pass a right-to-work law that will tell union members that they real hi don't have to pay dues. that way they're not going to pay them, and that way it's going to reduce their resources even more. it's going to shake the foundations of the democrats even more. the koch brothers are saying who is making all the phone calls? who is doing all the social networks stuff. where are they getting money for that? they're getting it from the unions. without labor,
if labor is taken way from the democrats, barack obama might not be in the white house. you can just ask karl rove. >> they lost 612,000 union members in 2010 alone. now think about it. every one of the 612,000 people had union dues going into the political coffers of their union to spend on politics. so yeah, you keep having couple 100,000 people each year, if a half million people leave the labor movement every year, and pretty soon you start having a crimp in the political budgets of...
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with christmas less than two weeks away, the white house is faced with the same key question. can boehner deliver the votes for whatever deal they agree on? >> i remain optimistic and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> but with time running out, neither side seems to have budged very far from the original proposal. the only good news about what happened in the past 24 hours, they are not publicly trashing each other's proposals. on monday the white house sent boehner a counteroffer which at beast can be incremental movement. almost on the details of the offer are under wraps. the $1.6 trillion in tax revenue the president was demanding can come down to slightly under 1.4 trillion. it's still $600 billion higher than the republican position. in a signal to the president in his conference, basically said the president's counteroffer was uncut. >> where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the slowser our economy gets to the fis
with christmas less than two weeks away, the white house is faced with the same key question. can boehner deliver the votes for whatever deal they agree on? >> i remain optimistic and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> but with time running out, neither side seems to have budged very far from the original proposal. the only good news about what happened in the past 24 hours, they...
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. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low skill, low wage, no workers rights. that's not our competitive advantage. there's always going to be some other country that can treat its workers even worse. >> the house speaker, john boehner, is speaking now on the house floor regarding the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> beyond 1:50 p.m. today. >> the speaker of the house for five minutes. >> the speaker, last week republicans made a serious offer to avert
. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with...
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president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house and try to make some headway on a deal. they're quiet about what happened but the president will loudly make it clear what he wants again today and he's on the road in michigan. also this morning one half of america's favorite fiscal friendship will be here. erskine bowles on debt deal making, whether he wants to work for the obama administration and his pal simpson's newfound love for deficit hawk gangnam style. plus, what will had hillary clinton do next. the secretary of state's future. some of clinton's closest allies are keeping very quiet which actually was surprising. good morning. from washington it's monday, december 10, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. we're in double digits in december. what does that mean? it means we're finally at the serious phase of the fiscal negotiations. three weeks to go before the proverbial fiscal cliff. actually it's not proverbial. so-called, right? let's not hope this becomes proverbial. anyway, the president's photo-op of the day will be at a suburban detroit auto
president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house and try to make some headway on a deal. they're quiet about what happened but the president will loudly make it clear what he wants again today and he's on the road in michigan. also this morning one half of america's favorite fiscal friendship will be here. erskine bowles on debt deal making, whether he wants to work for the obama administration and his pal simpson's newfound love for deficit hawk gangnam style. plus, what will...
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>> what the white house learned during the first term is that there are some things that work for obama and some things that don't. sitting down at a table with john boehner as essentially equals did not turn out as well as they might have hoped with the debt ceiling talks in 2011. but what did work was that winter when the president went to the country and argued for extending the payroll tax holiday and developed pressure outside of washington, he was a lot more successful. so they have two goals here. one is to keep the pressure coming from outside the beltway and the second is to make sure that this is not a negotiation between the president and boehner, that they want the president essentially floating above this. >> robert, when we talk and i know you had a chance to hear what congresswoman black will to say about trying to find the right balance here, while a majority of americans, say they go completely support raising taxes on wealthier americans, there is also a majority support that says we don't want to see earned benefits messed with, we don't want to see the medicare eligi
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. >>> 11 other republican governors want to meet with president obama over the health care law. they want to talk about how to set up health exchanges on expanding the medicaid rolls. they've sent a letter to the white house asking for time with the president. >>> and senator scott brown said good-bye to his colleagues in the senate, but he hinted you have not seen the last of him when he said defeat is only temporary. >>> speaking of good-byes, senator joe lieberman made his farewell speech to his colleagues yesterday. and reflected how much has changed when he took office. he said when he started in the senate, a blackberry was a fruit and tweeting was am for the birds. and the senator had fun talking about his vice presidential run. >> thanks to vice president gore, i was given the opportunity to be the first jewish american nominated for a major political party for national office. and incidentally, thanks to the american people, grateful to have received 500,000 more votes than my opponent on the other side. but that's a longer story. i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash ba
. >>> 11 other republican governors want to meet with president obama over the health care law. they want to talk about how to set up health exchanges on expanding the medicaid rolls. they've sent a letter to the white house asking for time with the president. >>> and senator scott brown said good-bye to his colleagues in the senate, but he hinted you have not seen the last of him when he said defeat is only temporary. >>> speaking of good-byes, senator joe lieberman...
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that is adding to president obama's steam here. he believes he has it. >> kristen welker at the white house and mike. we're waiting for john boehner there live. >>> in political wire, a new strategy memo saying the gop has, quote, run out of persuadable white voters. for the fifth time in the past six presidential elections, republicans have lost the political vote. politico has a perspective saying i think we did a great job. unfortunately, i think the other side did a great job for four years. >>> and huffington post, is going to arrest lady gaga. why? for promoting lggt rights. weekly briefing. >> the president has not make a deal that meets those two standards but republicans have. his proposals have been anything but. he wants far more in tax hikes than spending cuts. and instead of trying to solve our debt problem, he wants new stimulus spending and the ability to raise the debt limit whenever he wants without tax cuts or reforms. it's clear the president is just not serious about cutting spending. but spending is the problem
that is adding to president obama's steam here. he believes he has it. >> kristen welker at the white house and mike. we're waiting for john boehner there live. >>> in political wire, a new strategy memo saying the gop has, quote, run out of persuadable white voters. for the fifth time in the past six presidential elections, republicans have lost the political vote. politico has a perspective saying i think we did a great job. unfortunately, i think the other side did a great job...
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. >>> casper, deep blue, bird, jordan, mcenroe, coners, boehner, obama. it is friday, december 7th, this is "now." >> joining me today, chief economic correspondent for politico ben white, editor at large for salon.com, joe walsh, queen bee and editing manager of the grio.com, and buzz fooeds.com ben smith. the labor department delivered a december surprise, which might just alter the debate over the fiscal cliff. despite predictions of stalled job creation in november in superstorm sandy and looming fiscal cliff, the nation added 146,000 jobs last month, and unemployment ticked down to 7.7%. while november's figures are higher than expected, september and october were revised down 16 and 33,000 jobs respectively. chief economists for moody's analytics mark zandi cautions november may see a downward revision but the numbers are a good sign. >> bottom line, feels like the job market is holding firm in the face of sandy and fiscal cliff concerns, so that's good news. >> surprising exactly no one, the white house and republicans had different spin on the num
. >>> casper, deep blue, bird, jordan, mcenroe, coners, boehner, obama. it is friday, december 7th, this is "now." >> joining me today, chief economic correspondent for politico ben white, editor at large for salon.com, joe walsh, queen bee and editing manager of the grio.com, and buzz fooeds.com ben smith. the labor department delivered a december surprise, which might just alter the debate over the fiscal cliff. despite predictions of stalled job creation in november...
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the white house is asking federal agencies to plan for $100 billion in spending cuts and that is what happened if not resolved. administration believes the deal will be done. john boehner made an offer earlier this week putting $800 billion on new revenue on the table. he got hit hard by the administration and members of his own party. >> we have to cut spending and, i believe, it's super flowous. >> and that is a law, higher rates to go up for the 2072%, including all of you. yes. >> reporter: president obama was speaking to business leaders when he made the comment. he insists he will veto any bill not including tax increases on wealthier americans. >>> the defense department started planning for the roughly $500 billion in personnel cuts. the pin is not talking to the defense contractors of public plans. >>> the council made it clear that it's not following the mayor's lead on several issues. it was evident last night during a 13-hour meeting. the council voted against several bills. matt has more. >> reporter: the mayor appears to be concerned about the budget when it comes to a n
the white house is asking federal agencies to plan for $100 billion in spending cuts and that is what happened if not resolved. administration believes the deal will be done. john boehner made an offer earlier this week putting $800 billion on new revenue on the table. he got hit hard by the administration and members of his own party. >> we have to cut spending and, i believe, it's super flowous. >> and that is a law, higher rates to go up for the 2072%, including all of you. yes....
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the white house quickly condemned it as a highly provocative act. what message does this send to the world? >>> president obama for the first time is recognizing the syrian rebels. will this ramp up the pressure on the syrian president to give up the fight? >>> and huge protests didn't stop michigan's governor from signing the right to work law. what's this tell us about the future of labor? >>> but we begin with the latest on the fiscal cliff. republicans made another counteroffer but it's reportedly not much different from their first offer. though we don't have specifics, we do know the president and john boehner talked on the phone last night and that call, according to a republican familiar with it, was tense and lasted just 15 minutes. i want to bring in real clear politics reporter aaron mcpike and david hawkings, editor of the cq roll call daily briefing. good morning. so president obama sat down with barbara walters last night. here's what he said. >> most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january
the white house quickly condemned it as a highly provocative act. what message does this send to the world? >>> president obama for the first time is recognizing the syrian rebels. will this ramp up the pressure on the syrian president to give up the fight? >>> and huge protests didn't stop michigan's governor from signing the right to work law. what's this tell us about the future of labor? >>> but we begin with the latest on the fiscal cliff. republicans made...
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and president obama and boehner have spoken at this time. quote, we sent the white house a counteroffer that would achieve reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more jobs. that's all we know. dana milbank, they say it's good. they said it will solve our problems. they won't say what it is. explain. >> well, look, we're still in the fairly early stage of posturing here, and nobody can strike a deal until they get closer to it, until their feet are to the fire. >> when do you say the fire begins? >> nobody can make any prediction for sure -- >> try. >> they could hammer this out in three hours if they really wanted to. >> that's right. >> but if they don't wait until the very end of december or even go over the cliff -- >> i think it's 21. i'm going to bet on -- what's your hunch about this, ron reagan? you're here -- i think they're going to try to get it done by christmas just for efficiency's sake and not to scare the horses. that's the thought i have. i may be conservative about this. >> yeah, i think you're right, they'd like
and president obama and boehner have spoken at this time. quote, we sent the white house a counteroffer that would achieve reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more jobs. that's all we know. dana milbank, they say it's good. they said it will solve our problems. they won't say what it is. explain. >> well, look, we're still in the fairly early stage of posturing here, and nobody can strike a deal until they get closer to it, until their feet are to the fire. >> when do...
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it didn't come from the white house, it didn't come from democrats, it came from senator jim demint. the tea party hero who famously made this vow with the president's health care law. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. >> guess what, it wasn't the president's waterlook but today he announced that he's leaving the senate to run a conservative think tank. and just like that, gone is is a man who represented all of the obstruction, the man who defined gridlock and was the face of ugliness in the tea party movement. the night of the president's inauguration, he met with other republicans to plot against the president. he threatened to single handedly shut down the senate in 2010 and stood strong with congressman todd akin after his legitimate rape comments. today's announcement is another line in the tea party obit. it's another nail in the tea party coffin. a movement that vowed to change washington. >> the tea party movement is alive and well. >> it's going to continue to redefine the political landscape in 2012. >> this november we're
it didn't come from the white house, it didn't come from democrats, it came from senator jim demint. the tea party hero who famously made this vow with the president's health care law. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. >> guess what, it wasn't the president's waterlook but today he announced that he's leaving the senate to run a conservative think tank. and just like that, gone is is a man who represented all of the obstruction, the...
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last night president obama and house speaker john boehner met one-on-one at the white house to crunch a fiscal deal. it was 69 first time the two men met alone like this since the summer of 2011. the last time they tried to hammer out a deal. well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. that means 98% of americans and probably 100% of you. >> in some republicans are slowly but steadily fatesing a reality on the fiscal negotiations. leading the way, senator bob corker of tennessee. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate i
last night president obama and house speaker john boehner met one-on-one at the white house to crunch a fiscal deal. it was 69 first time the two men met alone like this since the summer of 2011. the last time they tried to hammer out a deal. well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up....
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>>> president barack obama, house speaker john boehner met face-to-face at the white house today to try to prevent the fiscal cliff now just 23 days away. no details on their conversations but reps for both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the last time the president and the speaker met in person to talk about the fiscal cliff was more than three weeks ago. >>> and just after midnight on sunday, making history. the governor signed the voter-approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> and hugo chavez is returning to cuba for more cancer surgery but this time he is making sure a new leader is in place in case he doesn't return, and he named the vice president as his choice for a replacement in case something happens for him. the 58-year-old president is still scheduled to be sworn in for a new six-year-term on january 10th. >>> sad news for fans of music star jenni rivera. there doesn't appear to be any survivors. the plane lost contact with air traffic controllers early this morning. so far no cause has been given for that crash. >>> the national menorah in front of t
>>> president barack obama, house speaker john boehner met face-to-face at the white house today to try to prevent the fiscal cliff now just 23 days away. no details on their conversations but reps for both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the last time the president and the speaker met in person to talk about the fiscal cliff was more than three weeks ago. >>> and just after midnight on sunday, making history. the governor signed the voter-approved referendum...
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president obama got the third spot with his you didn't build that. >>> a petition on the white house website called for congress and the president to forfeit their pay and health care benefits until the fiscal cliff crisis is resolved. the petition has gotten more than 11,000 signatures but 25,000 are needed to get a white house response. >>> president obama will have a private swearing in from justice john roberts on sunday, january 20th. the next day will be the official ceremony and the president's inauguration has decided to start accepting corporate and private donations this time to help play for the parade, the balls, all those other events. >>> west virginia senator joe manson upset about a new reality tv show. he has written a letter to mtv demanding it be canceled. some are calling it the "jersey shore" of appalacia. >> y'all want to swim? >> for young, free and wild. >> that's wild. okay. that's going to do it for your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> the fedex kufl and the best and cheapest travel days of the years coming up. >>> plus, new details surrounding the d
president obama got the third spot with his you didn't build that. >>> a petition on the white house website called for congress and the president to forfeit their pay and health care benefits until the fiscal cliff crisis is resolved. the petition has gotten more than 11,000 signatures but 25,000 are needed to get a white house response. >>> president obama will have a private swearing in from justice john roberts on sunday, january 20th. the next day will be the official...
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house is decorated and from the looks of it the obamas will have a fun holiday. >> the white house is ready for christmas. today first lady michelle obama has given a tour and that is not it. >> there's been a lot of soul searching going on at fox news. and i am confident that they eventually will find one. >> i think they park better than i do. >> psy said some anti-american things. ♪ >> no big deal. we don't believe psy. >> controversy erupts after president obama embraces a rapper once calling for the death of innocent americans. >> he was caught on camera shaking his hand. he's not going to stand up for our brave men and women in the military? that's pretty sad. >> we have specifics coming out of our eyeballs. i'm very confident we can take the smat. we're doing to win this race because people know we need a better future for this country and i don't think people are hoping for four more years of this mess. >> let's get to our panel. jonathan capehart is an msnbc contributor and karen finney is an msnbc political analyst and the former director of communications at the dnc. kare
house is decorated and from the looks of it the obamas will have a fun holiday. >> the white house is ready for christmas. today first lady michelle obama has given a tour and that is not it. >> there's been a lot of soul searching going on at fox news. and i am confident that they eventually will find one. >> i think they park better than i do. >> psy said some anti-american things. ♪ >> no big deal. we don't believe psy. >> controversy erupts after...
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it was accompanied by this picture of him taken at the white house with his voter registration form. i'm joined now by former florida republican governor, democrat, charlie crist. gov new york city i will always call you governor. it may be more appropriate some day, but it's an honor to have you on this show. i just happened to hilt you up with a hardball question. peter freeman said you sat at his table, not too long ago, his breakfast table. and you said i am a ronald reagan republican. were you then -- are you now so changed that that's not true? >> i think the party has changed is what's really happened. i think regan is a great kparm. my friend, jeb bush, said not long ago, that ronald reagan would probably not be successful in today's republican party. that tells you everything you need to know. and i think it's the leadership of the party more than the membership. what's happened on issue after issue, and you know this better than i do. whether it's immigration, education, voter suppression, what the leadership has done is, say on immigration, we want deportation. when it tal
it was accompanied by this picture of him taken at the white house with his voter registration form. i'm joined now by former florida republican governor, democrat, charlie crist. gov new york city i will always call you governor. it may be more appropriate some day, but it's an honor to have you on this show. i just happened to hilt you up with a hardball question. peter freeman said you sat at his table, not too long ago, his breakfast table. and you said i am a ronald reagan republican. were...
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test. >>> in the fiscal battle with democrats and the obama white house. first read then asks, what does a smart poker player usually do when holding a bad hand? you fold to live another day. nbc news senior political editor mark murray, a gambler as i hear. you're a texan. we all gamble. what would be the next logical hand? because it seems today a lot of republicans are saying let's get the bush tax cut issue dealt with and then wait until next year and would that be something that the democrats and the president would embrace? >> well, this is all about gaining maximum leverage and the better leverage of republicans right now to delay the bigger battle in to february when the debt ceiling would have to be increased. as youç mentioned, essentially acquiesing to the democrats and the white house for those making $250,000 and less and let's have the bigger battle when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. president obama essentially today said he's not willing to play that game. noting what happened in 2011 with the u.s. hurting its credit rating, just t
test. >>> in the fiscal battle with democrats and the obama white house. first read then asks, what does a smart poker player usually do when holding a bad hand? you fold to live another day. nbc news senior political editor mark murray, a gambler as i hear. you're a texan. we all gamble. what would be the next logical hand? because it seems today a lot of republicans are saying let's get the bush tax cut issue dealt with and then wait until next year and would that be something that...
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, the white house, congressional democrats, want to go over the fiscal cliff because they believe that it is more politically advantageous for them to do so. is that a sentiment you agree with or not? >> i believe that the president and the democrats see a political victory at the bottom of the fiscal cliff. i see financial problems for our country at the bottom of the fiscal cliff with unemployment over 9%, and another recession. i think -- i want to find a solution working with people on both sides of the aisle but when you have howard dean, the former chairman of the democratic national committee, you have patty murray, who ran the democratic senatorial committee encouraging going over the cliff i think it's irresponsible. i think we ought to have the president sitting down with john boehner, finding solutions that can, one, pass the house, and, two, be signed by the president, and i believe if you find that solution, it will pass the senate. >> senator john barrasso, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> next on "andrea mitchell reports" -- as the house heads home, are democrat
, the white house, congressional democrats, want to go over the fiscal cliff because they believe that it is more politically advantageous for them to do so. is that a sentiment you agree with or not? >> i believe that the president and the democrats see a political victory at the bottom of the fiscal cliff. i see financial problems for our country at the bottom of the fiscal cliff with unemployment over 9%, and another recession. i think -- i want to find a solution working with people...
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white house insiders make clear that obama remains genuinely undecided on who to nominate for secretary of state, and understandably so given that how he picks could well set the philosophical tone for the next four years, whether he will be accommodating or whether he is going to use brick bats to deal with the republicans. what do you think? do you think the president wants to set a tone of conciliation for the second term or do you they he wants to stand and it fight? >> i do see a digging in of the heels over this, and it's unfortunate because i think that there could have been a much smarter debate over the secretary of state position. i mean, you could argue -- i think susan rice has many advantages, but you can also argue that there are some areas that she's weaker on. i think that that's a sensible debate to have. i think kerry would be a fine secretary of state. what i don't like is i do feel it's becoming an idealogical battle, and it's becoming a battle that has nothing to do with who is going to do a good job, and it's a very important position because this is a very importa
white house insiders make clear that obama remains genuinely undecided on who to nominate for secretary of state, and understandably so given that how he picks could well set the philosophical tone for the next four years, whether he will be accommodating or whether he is going to use brick bats to deal with the republicans. what do you think? do you think the president wants to set a tone of conciliation for the second term or do you they he wants to stand and it fight? >> i do see a...
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president barack obama and house speaker john boehner met face to face at the white house today. no details on their conversations but refs for both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the last time the president and the speaker met in person to talk about the fiscal cliff was more than three weeks ago. >>> just after midnight on sunday gay couples in washington state made history. the voter approved referendum was signed into law on wednesday. >>> venezuelan president yugo chavez is returning to cuba for more cancer surgery. this time he is making sure a new leader is in place in case he doesn't return. he named the vice president as his choice for his choice in case something happens to him. he's scheduled to be swarn in for a new six-year term on january 10th. >>> some very sad news for fans of music superstar jenny rivera. they have found the wreckage of the private jet believing to be carrying the popular mexican-american singer and six others. the plane lost contact early this morning. so far, no cause has been given for that crash. >>> the menorah has been il
president barack obama and house speaker john boehner met face to face at the white house today. no details on their conversations but refs for both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the last time the president and the speaker met in person to talk about the fiscal cliff was more than three weeks ago. >>> just after midnight on sunday gay couples in washington state made history. the voter approved referendum was signed into law on wednesday. >>> venezuelan...
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today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking commission said his party should consider the president's idea of raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrat's hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you go in and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2% and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. i ac
today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate...
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the state health insurance exchange is a key component to the obama care. it allows millions of middle class households as well as small businesses to shop for private insurance. states must decide by next friday if they want to set up their own exchange. they will -- they were allowed more time to mull over the decision after many republican governors delayed action. perhaps expecting a different outcome to the presidential election. new jersey is just the latest state with a republican governor to opt for the federal government to step in and create the exchange. let's turn to former vermont governor howard dean and former chairman of the dnc and contributor to cnbc. governor dean, good to have you with us tonight. i think you know this whole story well. these republican governors want these exchanges simply to fail, but is it actually in a way better to have the federal government step in and get that infrastructure if we want to expand it down the road someday? how do you see it? >> well, that's the interesting thing. the republicans at this point are c
the state health insurance exchange is a key component to the obama care. it allows millions of middle class households as well as small businesses to shop for private insurance. states must decide by next friday if they want to set up their own exchange. they will -- they were allowed more time to mull over the decision after many republican governors delayed action. perhaps expecting a different outcome to the presidential election. new jersey is just the latest state with a republican...
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even some of the top minds in conservative circles are waving the white flag of surrender on tax cuts for the top 2%. >> so are you saying then for pr purposes, that they should give into obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> i'm sorry, that was not one of the top conservative minds. that was ann coulter, but you have to and it to her. she's onto something there. a new quinnipiac poll shows 65% of americans support higher taxes on incomes over $250,000. the same survey showing the president's approval rating at a three-year high, 53%. the highest level since the body of osama bin laden was dumped in the north arabian sea. perhaps that's why senate majority leader harry reid felt confident enough to declare that until republicans move on tax rates, more spending cuts are off the table. >> the president made clear, i have tried to make very clear, until there's some movement in tax rates, we're -- i'm not talking about any other proposals, not about where there will be a cut here or a cut there. >> no. as a matter of fact, the only cuts the senate is talkin
even some of the top minds in conservative circles are waving the white flag of surrender on tax cuts for the top 2%. >> so are you saying then for pr purposes, that they should give into obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> i'm sorry, that was not one of the top conservative minds. that was ann coulter, but you have to and it to her. she's onto something there. a new quinnipiac poll shows 65% of americans support higher taxes on incomes over...